Goddamn you Mike Huckabee

You know it really bothers me that Mike Huckabee did a better job of saying what I wanted to say in my last post; much more to the point.

This is from the conservative, baptist minister and former Presidential candidate:

And one other thing I think we’ve gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say “That’s a terrible statement!”…I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told “you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus…” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

WTF is Fuckabee doing? It’s making me re-think my position since I agree with him; not really. He’s right, and that’s really what my point was in my last post.

  • http://mikeyhuckabee.blogspot.com/ Winghunter

    Absolutely!!

    In full appreciation of The Huckster’s past inability to grasp any situation like offering pipedreams of Constitutional amendments which would never pass and a hundred other clear examples of deep mental midgetry, Jeremiah Wright should certainly be “cut slack” to spew bigoted racism and insane conspiracy theories to perpetuate and teach hate from the pulpit as any other con artist who wraps himself in a false religious cloak…just like The Huckster.

    Print the following out and keep it in your wallet to look at anytime you have thoughts, such as they are, on political issues;

    “At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child – miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill disciplined, despotic, and useless. Liberalism is the philosophy of sniveling brats.” – P.J. O’Rourke

  • Spencer

    You know I’ve always wondered why it is that I should be ashamed to be called a liberal. The tone of conservatives when they utter this word is confusing to me. You see, when I think of the word conservative, I think of someone who is adverse to change, and when I think of someone who is liberal, I think of someone that seeks change out.

    So with that in mind, I remind myself of this, if it weren’t for liberals:

    • - the south wouldn’t have been segregated
    • - blacks and women wouldn’t be able to vote, much less run for President
    • - we wouldn’t have had unions to protect Americans in the early 20th century against corporate greed
    • - we wouldn’t have the right to know what’s in our food, water, air
    • - there might still be a hole in the ozone
    • - we might never have ended slavery

    I think about what conservatives are now, and I know Lincoln would be disgusted to call himself a Republican.

    What is a conservative these days? A conservative:

    • - wants to eliminate religious freedom and make the U.S. a religious state
    • - uses the cloak of terrorism to mask bigotry against Hispanics and to eliminate our freedoms
    • - is more concerned about the hand in their pocket, than the family with empty pockets, living on the street
    • - is worried about what goes on in every one else’s bedroom
    • - sent poor kids to Iraq to fight a war ill-prepared and then left our soldiers in Afghanistan without the support they need

    Don’t come here and try and make me embarrassed to be a liberal. I am proud that I believe that this country can change. I am proud to willingly use the right to speak for that change that many men and women have died to protect. I won’t let morons like you, and their evil proxies (like O’Rourke, Anne Coulter, or Rush Limbaugh) scare me from believing that this country can always get better.

    So print that out, and you can figure out yourself where to stick it.

  • http://www.thewebpen.net/blog Howard

    Humina-humina. What? I think he caught the liberal while he was on SNL.

  • maryanstro

    Spencer,
    Yikes! I am an independent conservative. I am really offended by your hateful description of what a conservative is!
    Do you read? Have you ever read or thought a thought that wasn’t pre-digested by a liberal for you? Have you studied American history?
    I have NEVER heard a conservative say they wanted to make the US a religious state or any of the other things you say! The only time I have heard that is in the accusations of fear mongering “liberals” whose desire is to instill fear in the American public in order to manipulate them into giving in to more gov’t control of our lives and livelihood to them.
    Shame on you for spewing falsehood and angry lies! It is much easier to name call and repeat extremist talking points than it is to read a book or logically reason. I think that Ann Coulter/ Rush Limbaugh type are rude and arrogant but that doesn’t mean what they say is true or untrue. I challenge you to use your head more than your tongue. Try reading Mike Huckabee’s book “From Hope to Higher Ground”. I think it would surprise you to find out that you agree with much of what he stands for. He is for moving upward together to solve our nations problems intead of going left and right -back and forth and not accomplishing anything.
    We are one people with many different opinions and extreme acidic lies do nothing to accomplish anything but more division and fear and hate. Maybe you feel better having spewed such but I ask you to try harder for the benefit of your country and for your own integrity.

  • Spencer

    Really lies? Please point them out. Was it Katherine Harris herself that said God did not intend for the United States to be a “nation of secular laws” and that the separation of church and state is a “lie we have been told” to keep religious people out of politics? Maybe you need to read more.

    Were Martin Luther King or the NAACP conservatives? No – David Duke was.

    What party’s big idea was it to build a fence to protect the U.S. from illegal immigrants? Are you disavowing that Tom Tancredo is a conservative?

    Who was down in Florida fanning the fires at Terry Schiavos bedside? Got to love that Rick Sanctorum – yes a conservative.

    Wasn’t it Ronald Reagan (he’s a conservative) that stated the ball running on cutting the social programs that poor people need?

    Who lied about WMDs in Iraq to fight an ill-advised war? Oh yeah, that’s right – the Bush Administration.

    I think if I had to associate myself with the likes of Duke, Tancredo, Sanctorum, Coulter, Limbaugh or any of these people that call themselves conservatives, then that’s what I would be offended about.

    Here’s the point you’re too dense to pick up on – sure there are some great conservatives (I’m friends with a few) and there are some asshole liberals, but it’s the extremes that define and I would much rather be associated with someone like Michael Moore over Ann Coulter any day of the week.

    Own up.

  • danielson

    Chiming In from the Cheapseats in Pittsburgh,

    A friend of mine sent me the link to this blog–and it’s pretty clear that the battle lines have been drawn here.

    The point of what’s going on in the Obama campaign right now…the point that so many people seem to fear at a visceral level…is that these battle lines must be–at the very least–BLURRED…if not erased completely…if we are EVER to be a United country again.

    Political battle lines, people!

    Jeremiah Wright is not a reason to abandon Barack Obama’s vision. Rush Limbaugh is not a reason to abandon the McCain campaign (or support the McCain campaign, depending on what day it is). Geraldine Ferraro is not a reason to abandon the Clinton campaign.

    What is being lost in the noise (and boy isn’t there a lot of it), is that the divisions of PARTY have, in effect, formed their OWN form of racism. We’ve developed stereotypes and assumptions, trot out the most extreme members of the opposition to prove our own points, even AGREE with our own party decisions EVEN if the best interest of America is lost in the fray.

    My party WINS is often more important than, my party is RIGHT for winning.

    As a dem? I disagree that universal health care is possible without a direct and all out assault on the Insurance Companies…100 million or so pissed off and united Americans clamoring for REAL and substantive change. One politician is not going to remove that boot from our ass, and I think it’s a lie to make this a campaign promise if you’re not going to ATTACK the issue itself.

    I am not republican. But I think you’d have to at least be at a point where you are QUESTIONING the Iraq strategy, knowing now that the administration’s “case” was so much smoke and mirrors–a strategy that has an open and willing (some would dare say EAGER) supporter as its next Presidential nominee.

    This is part of the point–if we, as somewhat informed Americans can’t seem to overcome our political differences…if we forget that the party that rules today is in the minority tomorrow…we are forever going to be drawing battle lines BEYOND race, class and gender that can only get more POLARIZED with time.

    NOTHING WILL GET DONE.

    What we need right now is to adopt a square one policy: one that agrees to forget who did what in the past. It’s time to stop PAYING for democratic AND republican mistakes of the past and move toward a centrist philosophy that benefits ALL Americans.

    It may NEVER benefit all Americans EQUALLY…but admitting that we are trying allows “me firsters” to have an opportunity to BE just that…and “left-behinders” a fair shake at overcoming their station in life.

    “We are the people we’ve been waiting for” ISN’T a democratic mantra, or republican appeal, or a reach to independents.

    It’s a challenge to all of us to look anew at the person across the aisle or across the street and FORGET everything you ever assumed about that person.

    It ain’t easy. But it’s a start. So do so here, now, in this forum by admitting that some republicans have done good, some democrats have done good, but as a collective body charged as stewards of America, there’s FAR more work to be done. Better work to be done.

    And it starts by trying less hard to WIN, and much harder to LEAD.

  • http://nonbreakingspace.com/ howard

    Thanks, Spencer, for pointing this one out to me.

    I haven’t been paying as much explicit attention to political news the past few days, but I wanted to point out that the Huckabee paradox is one I’ve noticed before. I think when you hear Mike Huckabee say something that few other conservatives would say it’s attributable to the fact he isn’t without a soul or conscience, regardless of political affiliation.

    It’s about the difference between being misguided and being evil, or something like that. Which brings to mind the ideas some people have been brave enough to articulate; namely, that our political discourse would be greatly improved if we didn’t always assume evil intent in those with whom we disagree. I’m starting to think that might be one of the lessons from this whole Jeremiah Wright chapter in American electoral politics. I’m quite afraid it’s a lesson that will be largely missed, but I hope not.

  • maryanstro

    Never mind responding to you. You only call names. I feel sorry for you.

  • Spencer

    Sticks and stones. Sticks and stones.

  • Spencer

    Danielson and Howard – great comments. Really makes me realize that you have to be willing to listen to people regardless of their affiliation. Conservative, liberal shouldn’t come with a preconceived definition. We should be more willing to listen to the content of the ideas before demonizing others.

    I think one of the big reasons I’ve decided to support Obama is because he talks of reaching out to the other side. It may be rhetoric, but at least he talks of it. HRC talks about bringing the White House back to the democrats – and it just makes me think she’s no different than Bush; that she will rule based on her own agenda without taking into the consideration the ideas of the other side.

    That didn’t work for the past 8 years, for us to move down that path again is a mistake.

  • danielson

    Spencer–my wife CRINGES when I force her to watch the McCain Segments and the Hillary Segments on Ballot Bowl on CNN…over time, she has admitted that LISTENING to all sides (rather than rooting against them) has given her a broader perspective on issues that matter (or seem to matter) to each candidate’s constituency.

    Remaining open to opinions not your own is one of those “struts in the bridge” that needs to be built.

    Right now, Obama seems to be the man, no matter what the nature of the attack–able to touch the minds and hearts of the broadest numbers of people in all three camps: His own, traditional dems, and moderate republicans. It’s not a finish–it’s simply a start.

  • http://fortyninepercenter.blogspot.com/ joey

    I think Huckabee is a decent person for speaking about this issue with some eloquence and tact. There are no battle lines in this country for some people. But, they dont see that. For most people, the only real struggles are the difficulties they encounter in their daily lives.

    I do believe that the terms liberal and conservative have been twisted by the opposing sides of each movement. The media has done their share in making sure that fire burns brightly, too. The reality is that people shouldn’t assign themselves such extreme names to make sure they are “separated” from the “other” guy.

    At the end of the day, we are all in the same boat. Most of us are just people trying to make a living and provide a good life for our families. We don’t have the time to debate issues of race or even consider the impact of those issues on the people around us.

    That’s a pity, actually.

    However…

    All of this nonsense over which flag someone plants on the political landscape is bullshit.

    I don’t care about Pastor Wright. There have been plenty of people I have heard speak where I find myself not agreeing with ALL of what they say. It just so happens that this person has presented himself as an extremist. To think Obama falls in line with this because he was an audience member/congregation member is silly.

    You can appreciate part of a man’s message without buying into the entire thing.

    Aside from that, extremist conservatives have ruled this country for the last 8 years. Look at where we are, at this point.

    If truly compassionate people, who want to call themselves conservative, are smart….they will distance themselves from this kind of politics for good.

    The modern-era….the 2000-2008 version of the Republican party needs to grow up and stop taking the low-road to the White House by slandering the other guy and scaring the general public with boogey-man stories like this one.

    This is why Republicans are seriously lacking in credibility. I mean, look at who you have running your party. Look at “your” president.

    Bravo to Huckabee for trying address a problem like this one to a base (the fringe-whacko-religious-conservatives) who are largely uncaring and too dim-witted to be compassionate.

    Its not about being an extremist, anymore. Try standing somewhere closer to the middle when you pick a side. You can see everyone and hear everyone a little more clearly that way.

  • butseriously

    This is all good stuff. It’s definitely strange how a crackpot like Huckabee comes out looking like the only guy making sense every once in awhile. Where does he get these moments of clarity, and why doesn’t that clear bright light shine on the rest of his goofy positions.

    My question is, do old whites get the same quality of “pass” that old blacks get? Can my grandparents say “colored” in mixed company and have everyone think it’s ok because they are old?

    Right here and now, in 2008, who would get a fairer deal? A black man with a broken down car asking my grandfather for a ride, or a white man with a broken down car asking Rev. Wright for a ride?

  • http://nonbreakingspace.com howard

    butseriously,

    The question at the end of your comment is an interesting one, if not impossible to answer. I suspect the answer would change depending on an endless list of individual situations.

    But the other issue (of whether an elderly white person would get the same slack) is also interesting. Just as it’s clear some people have taken issue with Rev. Wright’s statements, the flip-side statements of an old white person are likely to garner opposition as well.

    For the record though, as someone who has been exposed to a wide range of ethnic and cultural idiosyncrasies, I’ve noticed far more sensitive white people than I have sensitive minorities.

  • Spencer

    butseriously (i’m going to start every line like that tomorrow)

    Anyway, I think fair is the wrong word. Everyone has their own set of experiences that lead to how they feel about other races. I think your comment draws a link where there may be none.

    Obama was on a radio show today and said in order to get to the issues that affect us on a day to day basis, we need to have these frank discussions about race. The stereotypes, misconceptions, and biases are there in everyone. It’s not about fair – it’s about moving past.

    howard (with the lower cased “h”)
    I think I disagree. If I understand your last comment, I think because of our experiences in this country, we are understandably a bit paranoid.

    I do think blacks have it easier living with whites than the other way around, because they have to. I have friends that grew up without knowing a black person. Nothing specifically wrong with that, it just is what it is.